I really can't say enough about this man. I just love him. There are many strikes against him, but remember they said exactly the same thing about now President Obama.
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Other than being Black and Conservative, what potential problems do you see with Cain? I'm not sure I see any, including that he's Black and Conservative.
I like Cain as a conservative talking head and believe that is just where he should stay, it is more important than most folks would believe.
We simply have no time for vetting newbies on a national scale let alone for his name to become familiar in over 2/3 of the nations households.
His running would only hamper our efforts to regain the White House let alone the survival of our Nation.
@Christopher: Who would you have? Progs like McCain or, worse yet, Romney? They are only marginally better than Obama. There is little about Herman Cain that isn't already known. I don't believe there is much to vet.
What are the flaws that you have heard about? Just curious. I haven't done too much research on Cain yet but so far I like what I see.
Christopher, your thinking is exactly wrong, and it's the same problem Republicans always run in to. Uh huh, Herman is a "newbie" so we can't possibly elect him because we don't have enough time to "vet him". That's bull. We should keep electing principled, experienced office holders, those who have been running up our debts for years and taking away our freedom slowly but surely, right Christopher?
Christopher, you are allowed to dislike Herman, you are allowed not to vote for him, vote for whoever you like. If you're going to argue against him, better have a better argument. I saw Herman run for senate in 2004 against two entrenched congressman (one of whom was Johnny Isaakson who recently crossed lines and voted for START). The two congressmen would say "you need to elect me because I have experience in Washington and Herman Cain does not". Herman would come back with "the guys that built the Titanic had experience too, but the ship sank anyway".
This is how I see it, and please note that I don't necessarily agree that this thinking is correct, but it could hurt him.
1. He had stage 4 cancer. He is perfectly fine now, but that may scare some people. Me not among them.
2. He has never held any elected office. Personally, I kind of like this, but again it may turn people off. Especially since Obama had so little experience.
3. Republicans will be accused of a putting up a token black. Which will be rubbish, but it will be a distraction that will eat away time spent on his message.
Now, his assets are amazing. He has taken a business that was not doing well and turned it around. He is a dynamic speaker. He is principled.
He is very intelligent. He would run circles around Obama in a debate. Seriously, I would pay money to watch that.
I think he is someone that should be taken more seriously than he is. Don't write this man off. The Tea Party can help raise money and his profile. He is worth a look into.
RE: Deekaman,
Did you read my name? Did you not notice the word CONSERVATIVE in it?
All you listed are RINO's?
You ask who would I have? Easy answer if he would run,,Mike Pence.
RE: Nancy Kolston,
You are free to call me wrong but dare you to back it up. Run a nationwide poll and see just how well known Cain is.
p.s. I am not republican, I am however a conservative therefore making me a realist.
p.p.s. @ Nancy Kolston;
Where did you get the idea I "dislike" Cain? I never said that but rather the opposite. I just don't want him to run is all, as I believe what he does now to be more important.
Christopher:
What type of numbers would have you gotten four years ago if that poll was taken about Obama? Unless you paid close attention to politics you wouldn't have known who he was. I only knew who he was because of his convention speech.
Running for president gets you known. That shouldn't be the issue.
I agree with you on Pence, but seriously is he any better well known? I have heard many Palinistas say he can't win because he isn't as well known as Palin. Pence is known within tea party and staunch conservative circles as is Cain. If you think that Pence can raise his profile then there should be no reason that Cain can't as well.
I don't think he can win the nomination, but I think he should run. He will tack the debate to the right for one thing. He also has a compelling story that people should hear before they write him off.
He is an intelligent and dynamic man. I say Run Herman Run.
I also want a wide field, the fewer choices we have the more likely we end of up with Romney. Not a good option as far as I am concerned.
I'm not fully convinced of Mike Pence's conservative cred. 5 terms in Congress changes people. I know he's a TEA Party fav. That's fine. I am not willing to pick someone based on "electability". That got us Bush 41 and Bush 43. I need to see much more from Pence during this session. Cain? I have a very good feel for him, having met him and getting the opportunity to talk to him.
That you have Conservative in your name means zip. Nothing. When you have my 40 years of conservative experience, talk to me about it. And I don't really care if you respond respectfully to me; I've been called every name they can throw at me for those 40 years. Be respectful to the other conservatives on this site.
Deek:
What in the heck in Pence's record would make you say that. He was one of the few republicans that didn't jump on board with Bush's overspending. He voted against Medicare B among many others. I don't know of anything in his voting record that would make one say that.
He is an unusual animal, he stands by his principles and yet still finds a way to have a good realtionship with the party muckity mucks. He easily could bridge the gap between the tea party faction and the establishment faction. There is no one else on the scene that I see that can accomplish that.
RE: Blog Host,JACG:
First off, this is a great discussion and one that should happen. I hold no ill will against anyone running or commenting for that matter.
Now to quote you,,,,
"Running for president gets you known. That shouldn't be the issue"
I totally agree but this fact remains whether you, I or others like it or not. As to Pence vs. Cain on name recognition, hands down Pence.
For some reason you and others give off the impression I dislike the man? Please stop doing this as in my first statement I clearly state I LIKE THE MAN! I am not writing him off at all as to his credentials just this idea of running. Again, I believe what he is doing now (conservative talking head) is far more important to the cause as he is excellent at it.
RE: Deekaman,
If you are willing to elect a candidate on "electibilty" then why vote at all?
"We simply have no time for vetting newbies on a national scale let alone for his name to become familiar in over 2/3 of the nations households."
It only takes one speech....see: Barack Hussein Obama.
Christopher:
I guess where you and I disagree is that Pence has more national name recoginition. I don't believe outside of tea party and social conservatives circles that he does. I love Mike Pence and want him to be our next president. But, I do think he is going to opt for governor now that the Lt. governor has announced she will not run.
But, the first primary is more than a year away. We have time to vet. I just don't see that as a plausible enough reason to dismiss him so early. We are going to see debates. I think it is going to be a very lively primary and that will do the vetting.
He will be the first to formally announce because he needs to raise money and his profile. He knows that. If he announces first the media will have no else to look at and the vetting will begin. They are not going to give him or any other republican for that matter a pass like Obama was given.
I just don't understand why you want to write him off so early. That is what I am not getting here.
JACG,
Early? Why is that so many so-called conservatives do not understand the politcal calender?
This has been a hinderence to most if not all conservative elections.
To use the term "early" now is ridiculous, meaning stakes in presidential terms are literally right around the corner in political fortunes.
If anything this discussion is LATE.
A year is a lifetime in politics. My gosh the summer before the 08 election John McCain was considered dead in the water, yet he got the nomination.
Anything can happen in a year. We can be attacked again. We can be at war with Iran (of course with Obama that is not likely) but you know what I am saying. North Korea could invade the south. So much can happen between now and next January.
I utterly disagree with your premise. If that is the mindset we have three choices, Huckabee, Romney, or Palin. None of which is acceptable to me. When Bush announced for president no one gave him a chance. Yet he won. No one gave Obama a chance when he announced. Hillary was going to be the next dem nominee, heck many jumped straight to president. While the party has way too much to say in these things, the people have a funny way of standing up and saying hey, I have a say in this.
By your words, you are saying that Pence cannot be the nominee. I am sorry, I am not buying that. I have this feeling that the nominee will be someone that people are writing off right now.
I used to do political fundraising. People wrote off Rubio, people wrote off Allen West a year ago. I will be there on Wednesday to watch West take his oath of office. If you can get a grassroots following and raise some money, you can get your name out there. Then who knows what is going to happen.
Now hold on! You are putting words into my mouth and I UTTERLY OBJECT!
You saying by my words? I speak for myself thank you very much and never said Pence COULD NOT BE! I am the one PROMOTING HIM!
Stop acting like the MSM socialists and read what I wrote!
You inferring otherwise not only insults me but limits the very name of your blog and any credentials attached to it.
Maybe name it "Just a RINO Girl"?
p.s. JACG, I just kicked-up the dust a tad,,,,,,
http://christopher-conservativeperspective.blogspot.com/2011/01/blog-dispute-open-thread.html
Christopher, I, in no way, am putting words into your mouth. Your premise is that there is not enough time for Cain to garner enough support to win the nomination; one year is not enough time. Mike Pence is not a household name. You may like him and his policy stances, but the reality is that he is not that well known nationally. So, if Cain can’t garner the support, then it would stand to reason that Pence could not either. If we can only choose people that are well known, that would leave us with Huckabee, Romney, and Palin. As they are the three contenders that are nationally known at this point in time. Even Pawlenty is not known by a majority of the country. The majority of the country does not pay as close attention to politics as someone that blogs does. That is just a fact.
My point to you is that in January of 06 only a very small percentage of the people who voted for Obama knew who he was at that time. Yet, he is now the president. The primary calendar has been pushed back a bit compared to 08, so the candidates will have even more time for this cycle than the last. I have not said one word about you personally, yet you have chosen to attack me on personal level. I was talking only of the premise that you have laid out.
I also asked you direct questions that you chose not to answer, but come back with I am not a real conservative. So, my suggestion to you is that you reread this and realize that I was not insulting you nor was I putting words in your mouth. I was merely giving you facts that are opposed to the arguments that you laid out. You can object all that you like, but that doesn’t change what I said.
Your quote word for word,,,"By your words, you are saying that Pence cannot be the nominee"
That alome discredits the rest.
If you wish a real convesation on a really important subject then it must start with the truth, period.
To do otherwise is misleading and dishonest. Remember that.
Are you being purposely obtuse? If Cain is not nationally known enough to get the nomination how is Pence when he is no better well known? I have asked you this several times and you have yet to answer it.
That is the premise of your argument and I am asking you again, how can Pence get the nomination when he is not well known? Answer the question, what is the difference between the two?
Again, instead of answering the question you make a personal attack.
Obtuse? Are you serious?
I quoted you and you turn around as tho you did not say it! Who is actually being obtuse here?
Get real and do it soon!
Actually, you and all the RINO'S go right ahead and field all these wannbes leaving out conservatives, as you will get EXACTLY what you got last time - SOCICIALISM!
I have weapons,,do you?
Why will you not answer the question? Your words:
We simply have no time for vetting newbies on a national scale let alone for his name to become familiar in over 2/3 of the nations households.
Pence is not known by 2/3 of the nation. This is what I meant by your words. This is your premise, not mine. Again, why can he get the nomination and not Cain?
This is a very simple question, answer it.
I implore you to read what I stated. Why is this so difficult for you?
The answer you seek is contained within my words.
I make no premise as again I repeat it is REALITY.
My God, what is it you do not understand?
No Christopher you have never answered the question. You have decided to revert to name calling. Pence is not known by 2/3 of the country. You said that unless they are known by 2/3 of the country it is too late for them to become the nominee. So lets make a list of who can't run for president,
Pawlenty
Daniels
Barbour
Pence
Cain
and on and on it will go.
I would bet that if you ask people on the street they wouldn't necessarily know Gingrich's name either. So, I guess he is out. So, I am glad to know that we really don't need to even have a primary. We can just give the nomination to Palin. She is known.
You are one of those people that thinks you know more than anyone else, and puts everyone else down for not being as bright as you are. I am sorry that I don't live up to your high expectations.
And no, I don't care if you never read this blog again. You are a rude man.
"You have decided to revert to name calling"?
Really? Now once again you sound like maybe Katie Couric. If you find RINO insulting then I would advise not being one.
And again since you run a blog I would also STRONGLY advise to read it.
Onward to your list,,, well you prove my deeming you a RINO, as that is all they are and if all ,,,nevermind,
Rude? You do not know me nor I you, but guaruntee you I am not rude. Very honest to be sure and if that disturbs you well so be it.
I married to a Lady,,,well you get the idea,,,,
This is such a lively discussion!
I agree that there is time to vet so the nominee doesn't have to have name recognition presently.
I believe as many people as possible should throw their hats into the ring to win the primary. If their is competition between the candidates we can get to know each of them better and also choose the best candidate to go head to head with Obama. I believe that Palin, Cain, Pence, Huckabee, Barber and whoever else wishes to run should go for the nomination. Whomever makes their case, persuades, and gets voters behind them should be the next nominee.
Lively indeed Teresa and thank you for not throwing baseless insults at me.
Open field? Of course! Realistic? A MUST!
If you or others find this lively, and it is, then it is important to read every word, This is similar to text you are very familiar with,,the Holy Bible.
You see one cannot understand the text if they do not read it.
A note to the Blog Host JACG:
You say "And no, I don't care if you never read this blog again"
I joined long ago as a "follower" and would not dream of losing that status.
You can call me all sorts of names, and believe me I am used to it for most hate the truth, but I take it all in with pride.
This is a discussion that I enjoy and really needs to happen.
If you really take offence, well you should start a cooking blog or something and stay the hell out of politics for you have very thin skin.
I have to weigh in on Christopher's side on this and cite a recent impiric example of why Mr. Cain should probably focus on local concerns:
I am from Illinois, and in 2004 we Repbublicans had to find a candidate to run for the U.S. senate seat vacated by Peter Fitzgerald (R-Il), because then-GOP candidate Jack Ryan (hubby to actress Jerri Ryan who portrayed Seven of Nine in Star Trek Voyager some years back) got bounced via his salacious divorce proceedings becoming public.
And who did we stupid GOP Illinoians pick? Carpetbagger extraordinaire, the esteemed uber-conservative Dr. Alan Keyes.
Dr. Keyes got shellacked in the Nov 2004 election by none other than upstart IL state senator and former community organizer, Barack Hussein Obama. And the rest, as you all know, is history...
Does any of this Herman Cain stuff seem, as Yogi Berra would put it, 'like deja vu all over again?'
This is absolutely much ado about nothing. I would put him at about number ten (or lower) on this conservative's depth chart. I don't want a RINO, but at the same time I don't want an unknown either. There are a lot of great names out there, so why don't we watch the whole group for the next year. After that we vote for our favorite in the primary, and then back the winner no matter who.
Herman Cain may be an "unknown" right now, but all he needs is a little PR from bloggers like us and that'll solve that problem.
He's already touring around the country, making speeches, attending Tea Parties and filling in for Sean Hannity. He's getting his name out there.
If that's his *only* problem, then it's up to us to get his name out there a little more.
I'm behind him all the way. That's never happened to me before. All of the other candidates I've ever backed or voted for were because they were the lesser of two evils. Herman Cain is the first one I can be completely behind and say with confidence that he will be the one to get us out debt. I believe he can turn this country back around. Give him a chance.
Hazaa Blue:
I have two words for you:
1. Alan
2. Keyes
(see above, Cain is unelectable).
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