The problem is not with paying them. The problem is their belief they are entitled to as many tax dollars as they can get their hands on. Public-sector "collective bargaining" is nothing more than collusion. It is not two opposing sides. One side enriches the other. The public sector union provides campaign funds to the side that provides raises and benefits.
PunditMom: Nobody is saying the teachers should not get paid with tax dollars. The problem is the states can no longer afford the big pensions and benefits promised to the union workers. They are going broke. The unions give money to the Democrats using union dues from the union members to ensure that the Dems stay in power. In return, the Democrats promise big pensions and benefits to the unions...and so on, and so on. It's one big vicious cycle. And as a result, the Dems allegiance is to the unions and not the private tax payers.
Teachers by and large view liberal, socialist, progressive Democrats to be on the side of the angels and Conservative Republicans to be knuckle-draggers.
It is surprising to me that members of public sector unions that financially support only one of the political parties in a two-party system believe they should be immune from push-back by the other party.
Public sector workers are pretty clear in their belief that their halos should protect them from the fallout of political battles that they themselves participate in through the use of their union dues.
Joanne: I think your idea of what the conservative view of teachers is a little skewed. We believe that teachers deserve a good pay check. Matter of fact, if the system changed they way most conservatives want teachers would actually get paid more. We want good teachers to get paid and the best of the best deserve bonuses. What we object to is the unions protecting bad teachers. We also object to the fact that union dues is used to fund candidates that they sit down with to make deals with taxpayer dollars. These deals are made more for the contributions with little or no regard to tax payer dollars they are using for these deals.
A belief in the written constitution. The belief that we are responsible for ourselves and for our families. The belief that we are allowed to fail. The belief in a strong national defense are a few of the things that make me just a conservative girl.
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
"I say this not to the teachers, but to their unions: If education were a war, you would be losing it. If it were a business, you would be driving it into bankruptcy. If it were a patient, it would be dying." Bob Dole
Yes, House Republicans have been in power for 5 hours and they have not passed their entire agenda. The New York Times things they should be canned and Democrats put back in charge. Don Surber
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
"So I say huzzah to the 112th congress for reading the Constitution, for acting like it matters. It does. The Constitution may not be sacred, but the sacred has no better friend than the Constitution." Pat Archibold
"53% of Democrats have a postive view of socialism. 100% of republicans think those 53% are morons." Mark Levin
"Corrupt the young. Get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial; destroy their ruggedness." First plank of the communist strategy for revolution - confiscated in Dusseldorf, Germany in 1919
"If you believe this isn't going to cost the government anything, you are likely to see leprechauns riding on unicorns with pots of gold circling the capitol" Rep. Devin Nunes, CA-21 on healthcare "reform".
"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views". William F. Buckley, Jr.
"The Republicans were laughing and waving the American flag, and I thought that was ourtrageous behavior" Maxine Waters
"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." Norman Thomas
I am a Republican, a black, dyed in the wool Republican, and I never intend to belong to any other party than the party of freedom and progress. Frederick Douglas
Don't go around saying that the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first. Mark Twain
I freed thousands of slaves, and could have freed thousands more, if they had known they were slaves. Harriet Tubman
But I think the most important thing I have figured out was how not to lose hope even when things are bad and it feels like it won't get better. It will get better. You just have to keep working at it and moving forward. Homeless & Conservative
The way to crush the middle class is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation. Vladimer Lenin
There is all the difference in the world between treating people equally and attempting to make them equal. F.A. Hayek
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"What makes you entitled you your money"...wow.
But if we are going to support public schools and we need public school teachers, how else are we going to pay them if not with our tax dollars?
The problem is not with paying them. The problem is their belief they are entitled to as many tax dollars as they can get their hands on. Public-sector "collective bargaining" is nothing more than collusion. It is not two opposing sides. One side enriches the other. The public sector union provides campaign funds to the side that provides raises and benefits.
PunditMom: Nobody is saying the teachers should not get paid with tax dollars. The problem is the states can no longer afford the big pensions and benefits promised to the union workers. They are going broke.
The unions give money to the Democrats using union dues from the union members to ensure that the Dems stay in power. In return, the Democrats promise big pensions and benefits to the unions...and so on, and so on. It's one big vicious cycle. And as a result, the Dems allegiance is to the unions and not the private tax payers.
Teachers by and large view liberal, socialist, progressive Democrats to be on the side of the angels and Conservative Republicans to be knuckle-draggers.
It is surprising to me that members of public sector unions that financially support only one of the political parties in a two-party system believe they should be immune from push-back by the other party.
Public sector workers are pretty clear in their belief that their halos should protect them from the fallout of political battles that they themselves participate in through the use of their union dues.
Joanne:
I think your idea of what the conservative view of teachers is a little skewed. We believe that teachers deserve a good pay check. Matter of fact, if the system changed they way most conservatives want teachers would actually get paid more. We want good teachers to get paid and the best of the best deserve bonuses. What we object to is the unions protecting bad teachers. We also object to the fact that union dues is used to fund candidates that they sit down with to make deals with taxpayer dollars. These deals are made more for the contributions with little or no regard to tax payer dollars they are using for these deals.
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