Wednesday, July 4, 2012

A Boston Liberal Celebrates the Fourth of July

Happy birthday, you aging, corrupt, anti-intellectual, police-state, global weapons supplier, you!
My friend Phil went to BU and has quite a few Boston liberals as friends.  One decided to put this as his facebook status today.

You know I will put in for the one-way trip to wherever he feels that is a better to place to live.


The Conservative Lady said...

It's just amazing to me how people can demonize America, spew hateful things about it, while reaping the benefits of living here. Bet that guy who wrote the comment is a friend of Chris Rock.

Anonymous said...

Dear conservative girl,

Thanks for taking time out of your no-doubt busy schedule of bashing gays and immigrants to steal my facebook status. That was intended as a semi-ironic response to another friend's overly patriotic update, but if you feel the need to use it as a straw-man argument against “the liberals”, so be it.

I will point out that, since you and your friends haven't managed to elect a Santorum/Gingrich administration yet, criticizing the USA is still allowed without threats and fear of deportation. We don't yet have loyalty oaths. As a matter of fact, that right is even enshrined in the constitution - that thing you people only believe in when it is political expedient. No one is telling you to leave because you hate Obama.

Since you are apparently a subscriber of the Ann-Coulter-Alternate-History that imagines the far-right Nazi party was made up of liberals (something, by the way, I consider close to holocaust denial), I'll remind you that deporting critics and political rivals was something THEY were happy to do. At first, anyway, before they simply outlawed the socialist and liberal parties. (It's true! Turn off Fox and read a fucking book.)

As for hypocrisy, (and I know this was your commentator’s comment, not yours) it's no more hypocritical than being an anti-socialism and anti-tax advocate in a country that was built from the ground up with massive amounts of public investment. If I can't criticize the country I live in, you can't stand around with the opportunities YOU have had and tell everyone that now you're a libertarian.

And your implication that there is nowhere on earth better to live than the USA? Maybe that's true, and maybe not. If you've traveled as little as Phil, you probably have no way of knowing. If it is true, that doesn't mean you should blindly tolerate injustice, does it?



Just a conservative girl said...

Well lets see. I am a first generation American. So I have zero problem with immigrants. I was raised by two of them. I spent virtually my entire childhood around them. They came legally. There is a big difference between being an immigrant and crossing the borders illegally. I realize that many on the left have trouble with that.

I have traveled extensively, lived in a foreign country and even went to school in one.

Obviously I have no problem with dissent as three years worth of blogging proves.

You made many assumptions. I rarely watch television and when I do watch news I tend to watch CNN. I also read a great deal of left leaning opinions.

I have no illusions that America is perfect. The difference being I respect the ideal. I understand that America is the one place on earth that you can have a rags to riches story.

I don't dismiss the mistakes that this country makes, but I also look at the stories of people who came from virtually nothing then end up being president; Clinton being one example.

Your issue is that you choose to look at the negative. You choose to put people into groups. You choose to ignore the real history of this country.

Such as how the left embraced people such as Mussolini. Although the original words are hard to find now, but it was enshrined into popular music in the 1920's. How the founder of Planned Parenthood gave speeches at Klan meetings. If you listen carefully you can hear her cackling from her grave since the majority of Planned Parenthood offices are in minority areas to perform abortions. The black community would be twice the size it is today if it were not for abortion, yet when it is pointed out I get called the racist.

Conservatives don't disagree with government investment in things such as roads and bridges. That is what our gas taxes are for. The amount of money that the government gets for those taxes we should have perfect roads, yet we don't. Hmm, wonder why that is? Oh yeah, they waste it.

As for hating gays, please show my proof that I hate gays? There are three years worth of posts. I am against gay marriage based on religious beliefs. The bible is quite clear on it.

Oh, conservatives want a small and limited government. That has nothing in common with the Nazi's. Nothing. You confuse nationalism and patriotism. Two different things.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, it sucks being judged and stereotyped, doesn't it? Having your opinions reduced to characterization? That's what happens when someone steals your FB status update, publishes it publicly, and then threatens to deport you over it.

The Nazis were supported by conservatives in the US (Henry Ford and Charles Limberg to name two). They weren't about small government, but do you think a despotic, tyrannical, industrial-military government is somehow representative of liberalism?

The bible is clear about a lot of things, including eating shellfish and keeping slaves. Why don't you pick an interpretation that doesn't hurt gay people. Why do you think your personal religious beliefs should inform public policy?

As for abortion, I'll start taking you people seriously about that when you work on the social problems that lead to unplanned pregnancies in the first place. And don't give me any pro-abstinence bullshit, you know it doesn't work.

Your crowd would get a lot further on the immigration issue if you showed even the slightest sympathy for people who are desperate to improve their lives. If your kids were in poverty with no hope, you'd ignore the border too. Does that bible give you justification for demonizing them?

Finally, upward mobility is great in the US, but not best. Brookings Institution study says Canada, Germany, France and Scandinavia all have more (and are all, incidentally, social democracies).

Just a conservative girl said...

I threatened to deport you? How exactly did I do that? I said I would put into the fund to help you move to another country that isn't as evil as you seem to think this one is.

If you really believe that America is not a good place to live, move. You obviously can't be bothered to read anything on this blog. I do have sympathy for the people who want to come here. Why don't read it so you don't look so ignorant on my stance on immigration. I blame the government for allowing the policies that create these problems.

As for abstinence, it worked very well for me.

Just a conservative girl said...

Oh, and by the way - nothing you put on the internet is private.

I have leftist rags quoting me all the time - you don't see me behaving the way you have behaved.

Your comments stereotyped you, I did no such thing.

Anonymous said...

Bullshit! You have a blog - the whole idea is to be public.

I have a facebook page that is restricted to friends. FORMER friend Phil Bell copied that content and sent it to you without my permission, then you published it out of context, in a place I would likely not have noticed it, then commented on it without giving me the chance to refute it. It's a violation of Facebook's privacy policy, and common decency.

There most certainly is an expectation of privacy on the internet in many cases. And I have much better things to do with my time than argue with another small-minded, bitter, ridiculously ill-informed pretend conservative who imagines herself the replacement of coke-head Brietbart.

PS That Chris Rock article was bullshit. Founding fathers were going to end slavery? Nice try, Michele Bachmann. FOURTEEN out of 21 founding fathers were slave owners. Read a fucking book.

Just a conservative girl said...

"I believe a time will come when an opportunity will be offered to abolish this lamentable evil."
Patrick Henry Jan 18

"Nothing is more certainly written in the book of fate than that these people are to be free."
Thomas Jefferson Autobiography

"It were doubtless to be wished, that the power of prohibiting the importation of slaves had not been postponed until the year 1808, or rather that it had been suffered to have immediate operation. But it is not difficult to account, either for this restriction on the general government, or for the manner in which the whole clause is expressed. It ought to be considered as a great point gained in favor of humanity, that a period of twenty years may terminate forever, within these States, a traffic which has so long and so loudly upbraided the barbarism of modern policy; that within that period, it will receive a considerable discouragement from the federal government, and may be totally abolished, by a concurrence of the few States which continue the unnatural traffic, in the prohibitory example which has been given by so great a majority of the Union. Happy would it be for the unfortunate Africans, if an equal prospect lay before them of being redeemed from the oppressions of their European brethren!"
James Madison Federalist papers #42

"Every measure of prudence, therefore, ought to be assumed for the eventual total extirpation of slavery from the United States ... I have, throughout my whole life, held the practice of slavery in ... abhorrence."
John Adams

I have many more if you care to hear about them.

Many of the founders wanted to end the practice but knew the constitution would not be ratified. They choose to preserve the union they just finished fighting a war for. As hard as it may be for you to accept, slavery was not something that founders really wanted. Sorry, but the facts are the facts. Read James Madison's speech from the Constitutional Convention. He did what he had to do to get the country formed, even though he knew the practice was terrible. They never expected to take as long as it did to end.

And those were your words. Anything that I put on facebook is out there for public consumption. If I don't want them to be, I wouldn't put them on there. That is what the share button is for. So in the future, be careful what you post.

Also, please use your foul language elsewhere. It isn't welcome here.

Rational Nation USA said...

It always troubled me that Jefferson kept slaves, particularly following the writing of his greatest document. And I admire Jefferson greatly. Freeing his slaves would have been a personal decision.

Excellent responses to anonymous non the less.

Anonymous said...

Libtards almost universally choose to criticize America, without any apparent perception that it is the liberals who have defied the constraints written into the Constitution at every available opportunity, who have forgotten that our nation's seminal moment was a tax-revolt, and that curtailing free speech in any form was anethema to the Founders. The freedom of the individual to do whatever he wanted was sacrosanct to earlier generations of Americans---and in a nation in which earned wealth is equivalent to freedom---look who's taking more and more of it! Libtards should reflect on the inroads their socalist policies have wrought
over the years. Rousseau said "the only reason for government is to steal from one segment of society and give to another". Jefferson said "That government which governs best governs LEAST". Myopic, ignorant utopians try to tell others how to live their lives---when they don't get their way, the toward ever more dictatorial ways. When THESE don't work, up go the prison walls, and out come the hanging gibbets. Utopians kill people. Conservatives leave them alone. Incredibly, I have never met a true-blue liberal who wasn't negative. Nor have I met one with erudition sufficient to temper their idiotic subjectivity.

It makes me sick, seeing moronic, squealing liberals celebrating Independence Day when they loath the very idea of a free and happy individuals.

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